OldKel

Hi just measured my 62 plate type S touring and empty but with half a tank of fuel they are all around 30mm from top of tyre to lip of arch. The type S does ride lower according to the handbook hope that helps Kel

Hi Trevor Thanks for pinning, was hoping it was not too controversial. Regards Kel

Second bit this time about the DPF indicator itself A diesel engine without compromise Honda’s position on how the stage 1 DPF purge works on their diesel cars is officially: - Well sort of official I did ask for clarity and received the following reply “I have had the opportunity to thoroughly investigate your concerns further and have now spoken with Holdcroft Honda, Cobridge at great length to understand this matter. The service team there have confirmed that having had the opportunity to inspect your product they have been unable to diagnose or find a manufacturing defect with the DPF warning light and have advised you that whether the light will come on depends on the driving style.” And this is how it was explained to me at said dealer The car monitors the journey you are taking and if you have been driving for the correct amount of time at a suitable consistent speed, along with such things as temperature engine and probably outside temperature etc. Plus it thinks the DPF needs a purge. Then the indicator lights up to tell you it’s about to enter into DPF cleaning mode. It is generally accepted that a DPF purge needs to happen in one operation so as far as I am aware you cannot do three quarters, then go out and do the last quarter at another opportunity, so in the unfortunate event that you was approaching your journeys end or some body makes you slow down and drop out of the purging process or similar, the entire process will need to be done again, however you are at least in a position where you are now aware your DPF filter needs purging. So I reckon you need as soon as possible to retrace your journey and fingers crossed your Hondas computer will try again (yes that one that thinks British summer time started at Christmas!). I would recommend doing the second journey at a time when the motorway is quieter, I believe that motorways are generally where the car is happy to do a DPF purge as it is most likely to satisfy Hondas recommended use ie “ Please be advised that the Diesel Particulate Filter is an exhaust component which is heavily affected by wear and tear, driving style, external influences, etc. Driving in heavy traffic – regular short commute, less than 20 miles each way; annual mileage less than 10,000 miles a year; driving at slower speeds for prolonged periods – average speed under 30 mph are a few of the reasons that may lead to a replacement of the DPF filter being required.” If you are successful you could probably have a celebratory Swedish Meatball at an Ikea that you don’t normally get as far as. Unfortunatley you will not be able to follow some motoring organisations advice ie the A.A. advise https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/fuels-environment/diesel-particulate-filters Don’t ignore a warning light If you get a warning light showing that the filter’s blocked, it should be possible to complete an active regeneration cycle and clear the warning light by driving for 10 minutes or so at speeds over 40mph. (Similar to my handbooks 15 minutes and 37mph) If you ignore a DPF warning light and keep driving in a relatively slow, stop/start pattern, soot will build up in the filter until your car goes into ‘restricted performance mode’ to prevent damage. If you let it get this bad: Driving at speed alone won’t be enough. You’ll have to get a dealer to do a manual or ‘forced’ filter regeneration. In extreme cases they may have to replace the filter which can cost at least £1000 plus labour. In most cases there’s only a short time between the DPF being partially blocked and it getting so blocked it needs a manual regeneration. You cannot do this because it appears the following function:- As been apparently removed from your car’s computer. However I am open to hear from anyone who may have had the light come on in the way the handbook describes, and how they went on, as the main reason for posting this is because there is very little out there in the way of information. Even if we get some feedback of experiences with the light coming on we may be able get an idea of what we can do to trigger a purge without resorting to bothering the dealers. Hopefully this at least clarifies what’s happening with your DPF light.

Hi did start a DPF thread on the Accord forum but guessing it probably applies to more than one vehicle in their range. But as I did not get a reply tried to hunt around the net but came up blank so put a complaint into Honda. Did get too escalations but not much joy help wise but thought I would share their reply and my take on it. Probably do this in two parts. first up an overview then tomorrow will try and clarify how the first stage DPF regen works as that really threw me. forgive me if I mess up with any images. Honda’s position on their diesel cars is:- “Please be advised that the Diesel Particulate Filter is an exhaust component which is heavily affected by wear and tear, driving style, external influences, etc. Driving in heavy traffic – regular short commute, less than 20 miles each way; annual mileage less than 10,000 miles a year; driving at slower speeds for prolonged periods – average speed under 30 mph are a few of the reasons that may lead to a replacement of the DPF filter being required.” I think this means! Basically if you are doing less than 10,000 miles a year, and your journey is over 20 miles and can be completed at average speeds above 30mph. expect to have issues with your DPF filter. To put this in context Government figures for 2021 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/travel-time-measures-for-the-strategic-road-network-and-local-a-roads-april-2020-to-march-2021 On the Strategic Road Network (SRN) for the year ending March 2021, the average delay is estimated to be 5.9 seconds per vehicle per mile compared to speed limits travel times, a 36.6% decrease compared to the year ending March 2020. The average speed is estimated to be 62.6mph, 6.3% up on the year ending March 2020. On local ‘A’ roads for the year ending March 2021, the average delay is estimated to be 32.0 seconds per vehicle per mile compared to free flow travel times. This is a decrease of 26.8% on March 2020. The average speed is estimated to be 27.8 mph. This is an increase of 9.9% relative to the year ending March 2020. Could not find goverment figures but car insurances appear to work on for 2021 https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-car-mileage-uk Average Car Mileage UK In 2020, the average car in the UK drove 6,800 miles—down 8% from 2019 and down 26% from 9,200 miles in 2002. British motorists drive less now, primarily driven by a drop in business driving and private driving. Clearly the drop from 2019 to 2020 reflects the impact of the pandemic lockdown. Commuting mileage had held steady at 2,700 miles a year on average per car from 2002 to 2019, but dropped to 2,400 miles a year in 2020. From 2002 to 2020, business mileage plummeted 85% from 1,300 to 200 miles per year. Private mileage only dropped 7% from 2019 to 2020. This means commuting and business miles were impacted the most by the pandemic lockdown; private miles less so. Change in UK Driving Habits Business Miles Commuting Miles Other Private Miles Average Total Miles 2002 1,300 2,700 5,100 9,200 2019 400 2,700 4,400 7,400 2020 200 2,400 4,100 6,800 The average car journey for these cars is 8.4 miles long. UK motorists are driving less, especially for business During a time when cars are being driven less and less, it's interesting to note that the number of cars licensed in the UK has continued to rise steadily—so while the mileage per car has dropped, you could argue that as a country we are driving more. Average Mileage per Day, Week, Month and Year How much do we drive per day, week or month? On a daily basis, cars in the UK drive an average of 20 miles a day, 142 miles a week, 617 miles a month and 7,400 miles a year. Average Car Mileage per Day, Week, Month and Year 2019 2020 Per Day 20 19 Per Week 142 131 Per Month 617 567 Average Total Miles per car 7,600 6,800 So from the graph and the tables on average it looks like most fall short of what we should be doing I am afraid that it does mean we are on our own, for being so short sighted. I wonder if you could assume that the all new HR-V Hybrid will be similarly slighted, if and when any car that contains an engine is prevented from going into cities, and Honda will probably tell the hybrid owners they should have bought the full electric version. After all I was told I should have bought the non-existent petrol type S version of my car. Hope it clears some stuff up though Regards Kel

Hi Don't know if you got this sorted but as an update I have had some good results with Mothers Mag And Aluminium / Alloy / Metal Polish on the Accords headlights and at around £8 its not too expensive I only tried it by hand , the you tube videos do show it been used with power polishers. I did find the results by hand to diminish the more you did. You may need more than one tub for that window though, and again watch the spoiler Regards Kel

Hi Really trying to get a feel if my car a diesel 2012 type S Accord estate (Tourer) Mk 8 is a bit of a strug or normal, reasons for my question are below but to save reading them . But essentially as any body with a post say 2010 Honda diesel ever had the first stage DPF filter come on (the one without the exclamation mark)? Also what sort of mpg are other Type S Accords getting? Prompt for my questions are the latest addition to my stable is a 2012 type S Accord estate (Tourer) Mk 8, Came back to an Accord having replaced my last 2008 EX version firstly by a Seat Leon Estate (nice car but discovered later been a works vehicle for a fishing place and it had been squeezed down too many tracks on its way to fishing ponds and what looked like marks were scratches so short of a full respray, next up was a BMW M sport estate, cashing in a pension pot to do the upgrade. Less said about that experience the better but I had a £450 Lancia Y10 that was more reliable. After a long hunt for an S type, ringing up on a Friday to arrange to go on Saturday for it to be sold. I think 4 or 5 times finally a mid-week trek up to Hull to Marshalls Honda for a low mileage example. I know I paid over the odds at 11k but back to Honda with a modern version of a trusty old friend. Not so as despite having essentially the same power plant, it’s been saddled with an emissions system that’s very restrictive, I had my first DPF garage forced regen last Febuary, 10 months later and I am lined up for my second. I know my usage is not great for a diesel 10-15minutes each way to work and down to the supermarket for the weekly shop, interspersed with traveling out to cycle events twice a week (why I need an estate), Covid means it’s probably only 2K a year at the moment. However since my last regen I flushed and changed the oil, I already use Shell V-Power and I even forsake the CRX to go for a not quite so joy ride once a month to purely to try and satisfy the DPFs needs. I would have hoped that on at least on these rides it’s own regen would kick in if there was the start of a build up. That it did not or that once again the stage one regen warning light (the one you do yourself for free!) as never put in an appearance. It’s also struggling to get above 30mpg I know its got a bigger turbo than the old model, but a previous DC5 Type R Integra used to get 30+ regularly. I initially thought it may have been down to a previous lead footed owner but now I think it’s the emission system. Honda say their diesels are only really suitable for folk doing 50k a year (I’m guessing in minimum trips of at 50 miles a time. My options at the moment appear to be either walking to work, not enough for a Honda to work properly but at 45minutes each way and half an hour get up early 5.30am instead of 6.00am. Only using the estate to go shopping and hope that travelling to events is enough to offset the “damage” that going to the shops causes. So pretty much have two cars for weekend use only. Or go rogue and have the DPF deleted and chipped. Regards Kel

Hi Trev had a 1966 Sceptre before the hunter shaped one, and several Manual Monzas, even looked at one for auction last weekend 25K ooer methinks that's one that wont be coming back to the garage I did dig some piccies out but seem to have lost the abilty to post them up. As an admin guy do you know if anyones got access to a british manual for this bumper off operation I am planning next week. only not got a lot of answers yet. Regards Kel

Hi Trevor Yep always had an appetite for slightly off route cars, even the bus (Accord) is a bit rare being a type S. biggest regret is selling an old Opel Monza, I restored and had for a long time, I think its still out there, last time it cropped up on ebay at 7k I sold it for £1400. and it did not look like it had much work by its subsequent owners. Don't think the same could be said for the Humber sceptre estate , think these were only made for a couple of years, badge engineering before VW, Audi, Seat etc. And sports tourers try and dig some piccies out Regards Kel

No probs Unfortunately the purple Integra is no longer with us, the last owner ended up in a ditch as I saw an advert for parts on E-bay. part ex for a DC5 , that then got part exed at a local Honda garage for my first Accord estate, and since that one appears to have vanished off the face of the planet. pity I messed up the formatting though Kel

Cheers feeling very old nowadays but not been told to grow up with the CRX and I was a lot younger last time the aerodeck was on the road

Hi Posted this on my intro but , thought this maybe a better place for it. I am trying to swap the original grill for one I purchased from MV Tuning in Russia, I have had a different insert made up for it and had it painted so keen to try it on the car. Question is do I have to take off the full bumper to remove the old one, admit it does look the case as I can see how you can get to the clips that hold the bottom tabs in place. If so as anybody got any helpful instructions (or can point me to a video or manual). If anyone as experience of MV Tunings kit that may stop me making a mess of it much appreciated. The new ones got no tabs on the bottom so I am tiger sealing it, but I would still like to do it in away that I could put it back to stock. Hope some one can give me an insight Regards Kel

Hi I am new to the site although I have been running Hondas for several years starting with grey imports, a 1.5 CRX on carbs, followed by a DC2 SIR Integra then a DC5 Type R Integra. as my user name implies "Old" perhaps if I had the DC5 a few years earlier it would have been great, but as a daily driver it and the roads around here (Staffs Moorlands) the DC5 was bril 10% of the time but a pian the rest. Went sensible with a 56 plate Accord Estate (being a cyclist hatch's and estates are best). However a bit of mid life crisis went after another CRX but a UK one, saw loads as use to have Fridays off and this was the best but TBH not really. sill covers off revealed a lot of rust, and probably should have broke it for spares (wasn't todays prices) but stubbornly stuck at it, realising it was going to be a long job bought an 86 Aerodeck to be going on with (that job was laso teh best paid I ever had, albeit short lived). Poor old Aerodecks not been on the road for a few years now, as the CRX is the weekend toy. Last year I bought a 2013 Accord estate Type S diesel (Not without incident). So currently have a stable of three cars, two taxed. On my last one I intend on swapping the grill but can't find a manual online, and the ones I have found seem to be for US cars, although I believe I have to take all the front end off, any pointers would be appreciated Regards Kel

Only just joined myself (ie 1pm 24/06/21) so don't want to tread on any experts feet, especially as I will be looking for help myself later. However have you tried any of the treatments for the plastic headlights, you tube abounds with how to on them but I don't know whats best. I did get some reasonable results with my sisters Scenics headlights once using houseold CIF paste (I heard toothpaste works) and fine wet and dry plus water, as ever I would test a small area first and I would hope the trade stuff would work better, although they still look like paste and polishing paper. You will have to watch the proximity of teh spoiler though. Hope it helps Kel