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Good Morning Trevor unfortunately the total lack of response to mine and other Members of requests for assistance exactly illustrates the Point of the No Response Reply in the Forum, although I am pretty sure there are some experienced Members who may be able to assist both myself and other Honda CRV Members but do not feel the need to reply which is a shame, as I thought this was part of joining the Honda Family to try to help others , maybe I was under a false impression in this case. Come on Guys lets try a little harder to help others Barrie RN 1